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PurpleAlien

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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:28 am

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Proof of concept is one thing. Actually having a useful, stable version running quite another...

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jcmarcos

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PurpleAlien wrote:

having a useful, stable version running quite another thing

Yes but I am worried, because it looks as if freescale was already predating Genesi's position in the market, even earlier than any consumer product has been launched.

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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:47 am

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Freescale doesn't make products - they make chips. These proof-of-concept designs are there for potential OEM's.

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Neko

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PurpleAlien wrote:

Freescale doesn't make products - they make chips. These proof-of-concept designs are there for potential OEM's.

Indeed, which is why they come up with the "$150 Smartbook" which is a financially impossible goal unless you're talking about raw part cost to an ODM.

Just remember Freescale Semiconductor, not Freescale Smartbook Design Warehouse :)

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jcmarcos

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PurpleAlien wrote:

Freescale doesn't make products

I know. But that "thing" looks too much like a consumer product, not a development kit, with all those cables poking out of a bare motherboard ;-) . And it was present in a huge consumer event, not a geek gathering - ooops... I meant "developer conference" :-D
At least, it showed quite some hiccups and general unfinished look. That usually puts you out of consumer space.

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Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 2:40 am

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Any news on the Android port? I'm asking because of two related news:

Amazon e-book reader for Android: http://www.amazon.com/kindleforandroid

Android speed up by 400+% : http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News ... enchmarks/

Any of these makes Android a lot more interesting.

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czp wrote:

makes Android a lot more interesting.

Android is THE game changer of today's mobile computing rage. Missing it is forbidden, with only two exceptions: Apple or Microsoft. The articles you referred are very interesting and revealing.

neko wrote:

they come up with the "$150 Smartbook" which is a financially impossible goal

Does that statement still apply? Absurdly cheap computers are popping up everywhere:

http://www.google.es/search?q=100%24+netbook

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jcmarcos wrote:

czp wrote:

makes Android a lot more interesting.

Android is THE game changer of today's mobile computing rage. Missing it is forbidden, with only two exceptions: Apple or Microsoft. The articles you referred are very interesting and revealing.

I disagree. There is always plain Linux (choose your distro). Android will never replace that -thankfully. Android is a product, and it has an expiration date: it will remain here until something better comes along, either from Google or from someone else. It has no coherent progress, only what Google chooses to show.

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markos wrote:

I disagree.

Understood, but I'd say that's only from a technical point of view. Go tell ordinary buyers that...

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I did not say, that it could any time replace a generic Linux distro on any of my machines :-) But "Android" is an important buzz word now, and this way also a business opportunity. For many users "Android" is a lot more appealing, than Ubuntu/SuSE/etc., especially as they might already know it from their mobile phone.

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blu

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czp wrote:

hey, look - JIT! about freaking time this platform stopped wasting CPU cycles like those were free. now make the backend LLVM-based and we'd be talking ; )

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blu wrote:

now make the backend LLVM-based and we'd be talking

What's that bad backend?

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jcmarcos wrote:

blu wrote:

now make the backend LLVM-based and we'd be talking

What's that bad backend?

the best thing that happened to compilers during the past 10 years.

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LLVM: the complete FreeBSD base system can be built now with LLVM: http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/repo ... ase-system and http://wiki.freebsd.org/BuildingFreeBSDWithClang The ARM port needs some help. FreeBSD is not yet ported to iMX515, so that would be a first step :-)

And back to topic, Android is the fastest growing smart phone OS: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News ... one-study/

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Maybe not LLVM, but Android's support from ARMv7 feature is getting better, see: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/ ... odies.html

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ARMv7 instruction set support This release enables the generation of machine code for the ARMv7-A instruction set. Benefits include higher performance, as well as full use of the hardware FPU for devices that support it.

ARM Advanced SIMD (a.k.a. NEON) instruction support The NEON instruction set extension can be used to perform scalar computations on integers and floating points. However, it is an optional CPU feature and will not be supported by all Android ARMv7-A based devices. The NDK includes a tiny library named "cpufeatures" that can be used by native code to test at runtime the features supported by the device's target CPU.

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