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 Post subject: Windows for ARM
PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:31 pm 
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Bloomberg reports MS is going to present Windows for ARM on next CES. No Ce, but full Windows.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-2 ... -show.html

Chance for ARM or thread? I am undecided yet, but rather tend to think it is a chance for ARM. It may break the x86 monopoly on "computers" (note the *quotes* around the word computers).


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 Post subject: Re: Windows for ARM
PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:47 am 
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zylesea wrote:
Bloomberg reports MS is going to present Windows for ARM on next CES. No Ce, but full Windows.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-2 ... -show.html

Chance for ARM or thread? I am undecided yet, but rather tend to think it is a chance for ARM. It may break the x86 monopoly on "computers" (note the *quotes* around the word computers).


That's interesting. Can't be bad for the ARM architecture IMHO...


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:02 am 
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Well, with ARM at least I had an excuse not to use Windows :-) And if Windows is not suited for tablets on x86, why do they think that it will change, when Windows is ported to ARM?
Anyway, it's a welcome addition, diversity is good.


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Maybe A9 and A15 a little bit more powerful than Atom? Also more battery life.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:04 am 
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czp wrote:
with ARM at least I had an excuse not to use Windows :-)


:lol:

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if Windows is not suited for tablets on x86, why do they think that it will change, when Windows is ported to ARM?


Good point but... What makes you think the same people who are broadly successful in the mobile ("WP7") and gaming scenario ("XBOX360"), won't be able to cope with something as dull as a tablet, whenever they want to step in?

If everyone else is able to do so, go figure the biggest software company all over. My bet is that they are holding their cards because of their responsability with the market.

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Anyway, it's a welcome addition, diversity is good.


Sure!


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:03 am 
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czp wrote:
Anyway, it's a welcome addition, diversity is good.


Now that and Microsoft are something I never thought I would
read in the same sentences!


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:38 am 
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Well, I treat Windows as one of many available operating systems. My primary OS is Linux, secondary is FreeBSD and sometimes I also boot Windows.

BTW: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/pres ... pport.mspx

So it's official, even if not immediate. AFAIK, Windows 8 is due to arrive in two years...


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:52 am 
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it's not about A9 or whatever ARM chip some may think about... it's all about Nvidia's "Denver" project...

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/nvid ... e-desktop/


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:29 am 
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SoundSquare wrote:
it's not about A9 or whatever ARM chip some may think about... it's all about Nvidia's "Denver" project...

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/nvid ... e-desktop/


While "Denver" surely is a very interesting project since it's AFAIK the first pronounced ambition to take ARM into the Desktop, Server, Workstation and Super Computer segments, I don't for a moment think that "it's all about nVidia" for Microsoft.

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/pres ... pport.mspx

"At today’s announcement, Microsoft demonstrated the next version of Windows running on new SoC platforms from ... NVIDIA, Qualcomm and Texas Instruments on ARM architecture."

So it *already* runs on current and existing ARM CPU's from more than one manufacturer, and not just in a simple "experimental boot-up proof of technology" or such, but *really* supported:

"The technology demonstration included Windows client support across a range of scenarios, such as hardware-accelerated graphics and media playback, hardware-accelerated Web browsing with the latest Microsoft Internet Explorer, USB device support, printing and other features customers have come to expect from their computing experience. Microsoft Office running natively on ARM was also shown as a demonstration of the potential of Windows platform capabilities on ARM architecture."

I mean, once the support for the ARM platform is there, I see no reason to why chips from, say, Freescale would be excluded? Their future top of the line ARM CPU's are *also* moving into the desktop/server segments and will offer matching options (i.MX Roadmap), and so will the other ARM CPU manufacturers I suppose. And isn't it more about providing the various needed Windows drivers? How would that differ from other PC system and peripheral devices manufacturers currently in the Windows market?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:47 am 
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In fact looking at the video ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKc_XGuvNIk
It's true...
Even if I don't like closed source, like Windows OS, is good that now we don't see only Intel, becouse I don't like uniformity, I like diversity, I don't like big concentration I like deregulation...

Windows OS is the minimum , but the applications?
Becouse Windows OS without application is too less...
In any case I don't use Windows from 10 years...

On Windows many applications are closed source, so every software house must remake... The old x86 application run in a sort of just in time compilation from x86 to ARM , like IBM POWERVM or Apple Rosetta ?

In any case this open again others possibilities even for the powerpc architecture... Becouse if Android OS and Gnu/linux grown up on Powerpc market , M$crosoft will remcopile even Windows, if you need it... :D





takemehomegrandma wrote:
I mean, once the support for the ARM platform is there, I see no reason to why chips from, say, Freescale would be excluded? Their future top of the line ARM CPU's are *also* moving into the desktop/server segments and will offer matching options (i.MX Roadmap), and so will the other ARM CPU manufacturers I suppose. And isn't it more about providing the various needed Windows drivers? How would that differ from other PC system and peripheral devices manufacturers currently in the Windows market?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:36 am 
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takemehomegrandma wrote:

I mean, once the support for the ARM platform is there, I see no reason to why chips from, say, Freescale would be excluded? Their future top of the line ARM CPU's are *also* moving into the desktop/server segments and will offer matching options (i.MX Roadmap), and so will the other ARM CPU manufacturers I suppose. And isn't it more about providing the various needed Windows drivers? How would that differ from other PC system and peripheral devices manufacturers currently in the Windows market?


I guess, those three are the most visible players in the mobile phone / tablet world. But Freescale is mentioned in another interesting news: http://www.osnews.com/story/24243/Googl ... rom_Chrome Google is moving towards open standards.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:34 pm 
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And a Windows on ARM article by Freescale: http://blogs.freescale.com/2011/01/11/c ... id=NL_0211

I still have the mother board of my first PC. It had a 2Mhz CPU and 640k of RAM :-)


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:37 am 
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czp wrote:
a Windows on ARM article by Freescale


I love this phrase, as it defines both the goodness and badness of curent technology industry:

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Suddenly the market redefined itself along two usage modes: lean forward computing (content creation) and lean backward computing (content consumption). The predominance of consumption versus creation generated powerful momentum for these new devices


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I still have the mother board of my first PC. It had a 2Mhz CPU and 640k of RAM :-)


I beat you: I still have my VIC-20 somewhere, with its one megahertz 6502 and 5 KB of RAM ;-)


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